Crack the Code: Exploring Whole-Body Healing Through Chiropractic with Dr Taylor Frederick
#16 Crack the Code: Exploring Whole-Body Healing Through Chiropractic
with Dr Taylor Frederick of Frederick Chiropractic & Chiro 4 Heroes
In this episode, we are talking all things chiropractic! We have Dr Taylor Frederick on the show today, owner of Frederick Chiropractic in Raleigh, NC and he’s the founder of Chiro 4 heroes which is a nonprofit providing discounted chiropractic services to veterans & first responders. He has a really interesting story based on his own traumatic injury that led him down his path into the chiropractic world. Some of the things we chat about are:
+ how chiropractic care supports the whole body
+ the history of chiropractic
+ why chiropractic care is a preventative tool in health
+ differences between holistic & traditional chiropractors
+ how chiropractic care supports regulating and correcting nervous system
+ tips on better posture
+ things to look for while choosing the right chiropractor for you
Whether you’re like us and have been going to chiropractors for years or if you’re new and considering starting chiropractic care, this episode is for you!
So sit back, relax…or better yet, straighten up, because it’s time to crack open a conversation that might just change the way you see chiropractic care. Let’s get it poppin’!
Chapters
[02:02] Dr Frederick’s journey into the world of chiropractic; discussing his healing journey from a traumatic brain injury
[07:09] The body is designed to heal itself; innate intelligence
[08:00] The 3 T’s of health (Traumas, Toxins & Thoughts)
[9:25] Healing the body takes time
[11:50] Chiropractic and wellness trends
[14:55] Dr Frederick’s favorite chiropractic study
[17:50] How chiropractic care allows the body to heal from the inside out from a nervous system perspective
[19:08] Does research matter? Decision making based on social proof or intuition?
[21:04] The differences between a holistic-minded chiropractor vs a traditional chiropractor
[22:03 ] What is a subluxation?
[24:28] What is an INSiGHT scan?
[25:05] Is there a growing trend for holistic chiropractors or traditional chiropractors?
[28:10] Types of professionals or providers that chiropractors collaborate with
[29:22] Discussing the myth of chiropractors being called quacks or not real doctors
[31:30] The history & founding of chiropractic
[33:14] ADIO (Above down, inside out)
[39:25] What is Aberrant Inhibition? In chiropractic this refers to the inhibition of normal nervous system function caused by altered or corrupted sensory input, often from injured joints or ligaments
[47:00] Discussing preventing posture and tech neck
[47:15] Favorite book about chiropractic philosophy (limitations of matter)
[54:35] Food sensitivity test and are they accurate?
[56:20] Back to the basics with wellness habits; grounding, sunlight and carnivore diet
[01:00:00] Discussing eating simple foods, eliminating soft drinks and processed foods
[01:02:04] Common treatments from a chiropractor
[01:03:08] Chiropractic testimonies
[01:06:00] Resources for chiropractic information
[01:10:45] Adjusting the lower back improves the brain - disk injuries are coming from the same part of the brain that controls emotional regulation
[01:10:34] Finding the root cause for symptoms in chiropractic
[01:12:45] Is the radiation from modern x-rays really harmful? Why take x-rays in chiropractic?
[01:16:05] Why do babies and children need chiropractic care?
[01:20:30] Discussing sensory in chiropractic
[01:21:40] Things people can do at home in between chiropractic appointments to support their alignment
[01:27:17] What is lower crossed syndrome?
[01:28:55] Dr Taylor Frederick tells us about Chiro 4 Heroes
[01:35:40] Dr Frederick’s self-care habits & routines
Mentions
Studies mentioned:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25153305/
https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2022/05/18/310515.htm
Recommended Resource: Dr Monique Andrews - Chiropractic Neuroscience
Transcript
0:02 Welcome back to Unapologetically Crunchy. In today's episode, we are talking all things chiropractic. We have Doctor Taylor Frederick on the show today, owner of Frederick Chiropractic in Raleigh, and he's the founder of Cairo for Heroes, which is a nonprofit providing discounted chiropractic services to veterans and 1st responders. 0:21 He has a really interesting story based on his own injury that led him down the path into the chiropractic world, and this is a really fun episode. He's got a lot of really valuable insights, and I think you guys are going to get a lot out of this one. So some of the things that we chatted about today are the differences between holistic and traditional chiropractors, how chiropractic care supports the whole body, the history of chiropractic, which is really interesting, why it is a preventative tool in health, how it supports regulating and correcting the nervous system, tips on better posture, and we talked about some things to look for while choosing the right chiropractor for you, and so much more. 0:59 So this episode was really important for Carl and I to do because we really believe in chiropractic care based on our own experiences. We have gotten so many answers and really gotten some great results in figuring out root causes for things. And so we really wanted to do an episode that kind of spreads awareness for anybody who is not familiar with the world of chiropractic. 1:23 And we have been receiving chiropractic care for about four or five years now, and I still learned information from this episode. So whether you're like me and you've been going, or if you are new and considering starting chiropractic care, this episode is for you. 1:39 So sit back, relax, or better yet, straighten up because it's time to crack open a conversation that just might change the way you see chiropractic care. Let's get it, Poppin. Welcome to the show. We're so excited to have you here. 1:55 Ready. To be here. Thank you. OK, so let's start off by learning a little bit about how you got started into the world of chiropractic. So I, I grew up about an hour West of Omaha, NE, So in the middle of the country before, before we moved to NESCA. I was born in Texas, moved around a little bit, grew up in the sticks, a town of like 1100 people, drove like 30 minutes away to go to high school and all that kind of stuff. 2:18 And and I bring that up because when I was growing up, I was always a little envious of my family that lived on the East Coast and some of the lifestyle and opportunity they had because as a kid, I was thinking, cool, they're close in this proximity to like events and activities and stuff. 2:33 So whenever we would go into this city, which the closest, you know, skyline we had was Omaha, right? So when I drive into Omaha, I was just like in awe of the buildings. I just thought they were so cool. And I was like, I want to make one of those. And so I actually went to school for architecture was the original thing that I went to college for. 2:50 So I went to the University of Nebraska at Lincoln, which is the Huskers. It's like, you know, the Nebraska university. So I was studying architecture and then my second semester when I was in college is when I had a traumatic brain injury. I had a like, which is a super concussion kind of deal. 3:06 They call it TBI's. And I had one of those where out of nowhere, to make the Long story short, I just I went from faint from standing, I fainted, fell straight back, hit my head on the concrete and was unconscious for about 5 hours. So when I woke up I couldn't stand, I couldn't walk, I lost total ability to like basically move. 3:28 I had to crawl to go look for help and stuff. I lost most of my ability to speak really bad like stutter speech issues afterwards and I lost most of my memory. So I didn't have any pain, I didn't have any of those things. And and that moment in my health is kind of what led me towards the path of becoming a chiropractor. 3:46 So when I had that happen, we obviously rushed to the ER, got head scans done, Mr. is CAT scans, all that kind of stuff and they couldn't find anything wrong with me. So we got a couple of those done, same thing, no results, no results whatever. Went to a neurologist, they couldn't find anything. 4:03 Went to another neurologist, they couldn't find anything. I really specifically remember the neurologist basically giving me like short term memory, like IQ test things just like gauge brain issues basically. And and like really in that moment thinking like this isn't they're not even looking for what the problem is. 4:24 It's like I really specifically remember thinking that. So they came with no answers. And my best friend's mom at the time was a chiropractic assistant. She was like the manager at one of a clinic up in Omaha, NE and I was living about an hour away from that. So, you know, I, I bring that up because if a patient's like, oh, that's too far away or something like that, it's like I when I was a patient, I was driving over an hour one way for chiropractic care. 4:44 Yeah. So anyways, Long story short, she's like, you know, hey, I know you've gone to all these other providers. Like we'd love a chance to see if we can help you kind of thing. And essentially what they found when I went through the chiropractic work up again, that was the first time I'd ever seen one. I was about 19 years old at the time. 5:00 The whole nervous system runs through your entire spine and like your whole spinal cord. And that's why seeing a chiropractor is so important. The top bone in your neck, which is called the Atlas, is basically like a giant doughnut. There's just a huge hole in the middle of it and it's just a circle and a bit of the brain stem. But the entirety of the spinal cord goes through that. 5:18 And in a perfect world, all of that nervous material is right in the middle of that doughnut to, for me, what they found is that that doughnut was slid basically all the way off to the side and was putting pressure against the whole brain stem, spinal cord situation. And by getting it adjusted, corrected the position in the alignment to the bone. 5:36 Worked on teaching it to stay that way. And all my symptoms got better. Basically. Obviously I walked in here. I, you know, I'm talking to you guys fine. I'm probably at like 80% memory from what I used to be, but I remember being in that moment thinking like, you know, this is too cool to not do for other people. 5:52 I went from being like so hopeless to so hopeful. I was, you know, I felt like I was really trapped in my own body. Like right before the trauma, I was walking on to the Nebraska football team. So I went from being like really athletic and then the next week I can't walk. So it was a huge, huge disparity for me. 6:10 So, you know, coming from architecture, I had to work on getting a couple of the prereqs done and all that kind of stuff. But like as fast as possible, I transferred to chiropractic school. So that was my story. I was about 19 at the time, transferred down and I went from there, so. I can see why you did that. Yeah. It's. Pretty mild it is. 6:26 And you know what? It just is a kind of a little bit of a reminder too, that going to like all the specialists and not finding any answers. And then you went to the chiropractor and it was something as simple as just shifting something in your body. It wasn't anything crazy where you had to like get all these tests done and like go on prescriptions or anything. 6:46 It was just shifting your body. Yeah, when and really, and this is, you know, something that, you know, was kind of be a foundational premise of everything within chiropractic. But it sounds like such a simple concept, but like your body is designed to heal itself, right? Chiropractic's entire governing Fluence of philosophy, it's the entire principle of everything is, is centered on the the concept of something called innate intelligence, which is the body's ability to heal itself. 7:10 It is the acknowledgement that like something inside of us wants to keep us alive, right? It's why thank God you don't have to tell your heart to beat, because that would be a full time job. It's why you don't have to tell a cut to close on your hand, right? The thing it's, it is what is missing. If somebody dies of natural causes and has all of the same parts like what's missing, right? 7:28 Like, why is that person not alive anymore, right? There's something inside of us that we call an intelligence. That is how the brain talks to the body and strives for homeostasis, which is that balance of trying to keep us alive, fight against our environment, express health, respond to our environment. 7:45 Because like, you know, if somebody doesn't sweat in a hot environment, they can die, right? Like your body's designed to respond to stressors In chiropractic, we categorize those as three different things. This is part of our foundational philosophy stuff is that there's there's it's the three TS of chiropractic of, of health is traumas, toxins and thoughts. 8:06 So what we really work on at the end of the day as chiropractors is, is the body's ability to heal itself and removing interference from the stressors of daily life that are keeping that from happening as to its optimal potential. Right. So those three TS are traumas, which, you know, they kind of generalize as all of the physical things that happen to our body, right? 8:24 All the sports injuries, the car accidents, the desk posture, they're looking at phones, all of those, your body keeps a score, right? So it's all the physical traumas. The toxins is kind of a grab bag of everything that's environmental, both nutrition, you know, fume fumes, chemicals, all that kind of stuff. 8:40 Again, this is, you know, 150 year old Techno Philip philosophy, right? And then the last one is thoughts, which is basically the spiritual and the emotional like psychosocial kind of stuff. So you know, your body's designed to fight back against those things. And all that was happening when I had my drama is when those nerves were in fight or flight mode, just being stressed because of the issue. 9:01 My brain was not able to heal, function, communicate because you're bought my body was in fight or flight trying to keep me alive, not resting and digesting to function right. And that's all that chiropractic did was remove the interference from keeping my body healing. 9:18 Wow. That is wild. That makes me think so much of you too. It does, yeah. I've got a lot of questions for you, but one thing I'm curious about. So when you, when you did fall right and you had the injury, you went to the neurologist, you did all the testing, no inflammation, nothing like that, that they could point to, no other symptoms. 9:36 So you went to the chiropractor. Was it the first adjustment where they were able to say this is out of alignment, This is something that would be related to those issues that you're having? I think probably it was the first month is when I really noticed the biggest shift. But I conceptually, I mean, I wasn't in a big hurry. 9:52 I mean, between when the incident happened and when I walked into the chiropractor was a couple months later and things hadn't changed. So I kind of knew that it wasn't going to go away in a quick hurry, you know, So like I wasn't in a rush for the first appointment to make it all the way better or anything like that, right? 10:09 You know, things healing takes time, right? It's like weight loss takes time or embraces weight takes time. Like learning and anything in life that's worth a while really takes time, you know, so it was probably like the first month of of the consistent treatments that got everything better. And I could not tell you a hand on the Bible which symptom got better first. 10:26 I just remember like slowly continue going and thinking like, you know, just not thinking about a symptom anymore or like I would just go to do something and be like, holy smokes, weight. That was significant because I couldn't do that before, right. Sure, because a lot of things with natural healing since your body is slowly improving and slowly restoring normal, like back to normal function, right? 10:47 Is that a lot of like my favorite weight, like testimony at the office is when patients are like, you know, maybe let's say they have headaches or something like that. And I'll be like, you know, hey, how's the thing going? And they'll be like, you know, I haven't thought about that in a while. You know, it's just like something that just gradually goes away. Right. So, yeah, and that's kind of how my symptoms went away. 11:03 No, it's a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah, I we're definitely in agreement. We always believe the body can heal itself, right. And any of those symptoms or anything that happens, it's just your body signaling to you that it's trying to keep you alive. Maybe it needs a little help here or there, but yeah, that's, it's amazing. 100% yeah. And that's, I don't know, that's one of the things that I don't know, to some degree I have to like, gradually brainwash my patients about like thinking the way that I want them to, which is like not immediately throwing the baby out with the bathwater any time that there's a new symptom, right. 11:29 It's like, you know, I've been taking care of someone for a year or in like just for Wellness and prevention or something. And they come in like, you know, Doc, I like sneezed and Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah. And now I like now I've got like four other doctor's appointments. It's like, holy smokes, what just happened? You know, it's like, it's OK. You know, your body's doing its job, you know? 11:46 Right. Yeah, I don't know. That's that's a just from a paradigm perspective coming from the Midwest to here, I feel like in the Midwest from a crunchy perspective, people will really do as much as possible to avoid going like to the doctor and awaiting drugs and surgery. 12:01 Where here I feel, and maybe this is just the corner of the metro I'm exposed to, but I feel like a lot of people are really like the first step is, is going to like the medical doctor or like they're, they are more readily open to doing that compared to the paradigm that I grew up in, which is maybe I guess a blessing coming from like, you know, my, what we were talking about before it kind of like my early exposure to like a holistic natural lifestyle was probably just living in an environment where people didn't, well, I mean like that they had to go to the farm. 12:32 You know, I don't want to go to the doctor. I don't want to get a surgery because then I can't, you know, milk, milk the cattle and stuff like. That right? Yeah. So it was just like a, hey, this is OK, I got to go do the work, you know what I mean? And I think that was some like early looking back on it, like some early seeds being planted towards kind of like this philosophy. 12:49 Definitely, it sounds like that and it's also, I never even thought about this, but that's a really interesting perspective that, you know, in the Midwest that is more of like the first kind of thing that they think about is more of a holistic standpoint, whether they mean to or not that. Yeah, well, cuz we know in the research triangle there's definitely like a different, I mean even just from a career perspective, right? 13:09 Like there's, there's different job, the job market here is very different where it kind of attracts some of that philosophy, right? Where like back, you know, a chiropractic, frankly, geographically is a lot more popular in different parts of the country based on like people's, I guess, desire to not have to go see the doctor. 13:27 You know what I mean? Like willing to go do something else, right? And I can, I can get into numbers and stats and stuff like if that at any point, if you guys want to. But like, you know, there's really compelling research that shows how much you don't have to go see medical doctors. If you see a chiropractor and one person might say, well, that's probably because of like, it's an opportunistic study because those people are potentially doing just, you know, healthy people make other healthy choices. 13:47 It's like, well, that's the point, you know, yeah, you know, chiropractic is just good for you. And one of my, excuse me, like professional missions in life, you know, if I can, you know, cast his clothes and I'm looking back on the all the years and thinking like, you know, did I accomplish this in my in my career? 14:03 If I do that, like, like in a life well spent is just moving chiropractic towards the the threshold of it's just good for you. That's what my goal is, right? Because you don't have to argue with somebody that, like, nutrition or exercise is good for you or like the details, like I don't have to get into biochemistry or like all of the research analysis behind it because it's there's cultural authority. 14:25 There's people that understand that that's good for you, right? I want chiropractic to live in that same thing. Like I don't want to have to like, really fight with people to say like, hey, you really should be doing this, right? It's so good for you. It's not for me. It's for you, right. Like I just wanted to get to the point where, hey, it's so good for you. 14:41 I'm glad you're here, you know? Yeah, it should be a part of your normal maintenance of your body, your treatment, like go for a well check at a doctor. You should be going to a chiropractor maybe instead. 100% Yeah. Well, and I guess do you want me to say my interesting study? Because I think it's an interesting one. Yeah, sure. 14:56 So the the, the my favorite chiropractic study just because I'm a, you know, talk about the hats and stuff like that. You know, I'm, I'm a human and a doctor. So like, you know, I can appreciate the reality of what this is back in the late 90s and this is the the nearest time that anybody's ever attempted a study like this. 15:14 But in the late 90's, the state of Ohio basically decided to do an actuarial study to see which members of their state where they're kind of looking for two things. And and I say this to you guys, I say this to like my patients at my office. I'm OK with being wrong. I'm just saying that I'm going to repeat everything to my best memory of everything. 15:32 OK, it's a little off. It is what it is, but they they basically went on a quest to figure out who identifying one, which group of people in our state have the highest single incident of medical issues, right? So like the biggest average trauma, you know, and then the second group that they were looking for is, you know, which group not has the single biggest event, but on average has the most events medical wise, right? 15:57 And they actually found that both of those groups of people were the same people. And it was the steel workers in Ohio. So obviously very physically demanding job, lots of exposure like chemicals, fumes, heavy metals, all that kind of stuff, right? So both of the that was is the same group of people. So state of Ohio basically decided to say, hey, let's investigate making some different health choices to see if that impacts that group of people. 16:19 OK, so again, they took the sickest people in the state and there was about 70,000 of them. So it's a big health study. And over the course of seven years, they divided those people in half. And the only thing that really changed that they were measuring was who was the 1st doctor that they see, right? 16:34 So half of them, you know, barring emergencies, right? Like, you know, if you have a giant metal beam that goes through your leg, like go to the ER. But like, you know, for more or less everything else, half of them had to start at the medical doctor and half of them had to start at the chiropractor over 7 years. 16:52 And they published this back in like O3O4. And I can give you guys the studies if you guys want. But the essentially what the results were is that the people that saw the chiropractor first had 87% less pharmaceuticals prescribed to them. They had almost 70% less hospital admissions, almost 70% less surgeries. 17:10 And back in 2023, I was kind of bored. And I went on a little journey to like, if I applied those percentages to what the average American is spending on those services, right? You know, like, how much does the average American spend on, you know, prescription drugs, right? If you apply those percentages to 2023's numbers, right? 17:29 The average America would save almost $11,000 by just seeing a chiropractor regularly. That's amazing. And that's just, you know, across the board averages. Those are huge numbers, huge numbers, right? And all of it has to do with like, you know, I'm not, I won't be the first to say that, you know, chiropractic is not like the magical panacea for everything. 17:46 But what it does is it's the only profession that helps your body heal from the inside out from a nervous system perspective, right? Because what I say about that and why I love collaborating with like, you know, I'd actually plan on reaching out to the dentist you guys had on last and stuff like that, right? Is that if your nervous system cannot talk between the brain and the body, you could have the world's best nutritionist, you could have the perfect diet, you could have the best supplement routine. 18:10 But if the nerves that are trying to communicate what to do with those things to heal, to function, to thrive, to clean out, whatever, if those nerves aren't talking, it doesn't, I mean, like you're always going to get compromised results, right? And that's why to me, chiropractic is a foundation thing. 18:25 It is. It should be a part of everybody's health journey for everything. Because you know, if somebody's, you know, working with a speech therapist, you need to make sure the nerves are talking like they're going to work on the therapy part. But we need to make sure the nerves are cool, right? Same thing with, you know, like PT or like, you know, I treat a lot of cancer patients not because I'm trying to cure their cancer, but I want to make sure that the nerves that are healing their body are as stress free and optimized as possible, right? 18:51 So that's, that's kind of like, you know what I believe in, you know, chiropractically and stuff too. I love that and I agree with you so much especially even like not even just from researching but from my personal journey. I believe everything that you're saying to be true and agree. One of the things I'll say about research because like, you know, the I don't put a lot of stock in research. 19:09 And the reason for that is like, if research alone was enough to compel people to do something different, like smoking wouldn't exist anymore. Right. You know what I mean? Yes. So like I, I, you know, I have like a love hate relationship with the word research because some people will be like, well, how can you prove that? It's like proof doesn't matter cuz people don't do that in society. 19:25 They're not gonna follow through the most compelling things in the world, right? And so all I'm gonna lead with is anecdotally, this works. If you don't wanna be on board with that, that's okay. But this is what you need. And that's a great point too, cuz I literally was thinking about that this morning because I was thinking, you know, research, we have all these sources. 19:44 Well, some people are going to believe some sources, some people are going to believe others. We have studies. Well, we all know that like some studies are legit, some studies, there's money behind it and there's different motives. So at the end of the day, like, I wish that everyone kind of realized, like we have this thing called intuition, a gut feeling, and it's OK to go by that we don't have to have like every single thing. 20:07 You know, researched and studied and proven for something to be true. And I think actually I've never had this thought before, but I feel like some of it has to do with social proof because we've almost like outsourced our own personal agency with decision making to other people. It's why the whole career about influencing exists, right? 20:23 Is that like I could feel really convicted or certain about something or desire something. But if I have this person with a million followers that likes a different brand, then like, you know, people are going to be more compelled to do that, right? So, you know, it's almost like research doesn't matter. It's like you just need the social proof, the social in hair, like, you know, acceptance of being like, you know, this is what it's the whole group think. 20:41 I mean, that's part of what COVID and stuff like that kind of right up. It's just, you know, it's the group think mentality of it all. Everybody's looking forward or some sort of validation from somebody else. Yeah. And, you know, they've surrendered just making decisions for themselves and feeling good about that, right? You know, which is an interesting phenomenon. 20:57 Yes, it is. Absolutely. A whole other. Story. Sorry, Go ahead. I do have a question, So for some for everybody who hasn't been to a chiropractor and they aren't sure where to start, can you explain what the difference is between a traditional chiropractor and a holistic minded? 21:14 Chiropractor. So I would say, let me, I'll, I'll tell you my 3 like we'll call them filters that I look for. OK, so I would say the easiest one is and I'm going to use a word called a subluxation. That's that is the thing that we actually treat. 21:30 Just to be clear, for depending what the audience looks like, the medical world, which I would call like Western medicine or allopathic medicine, they use the word subluxation to be basically a joint. I'm going to use dislocation as like specifically, but it's just less than dislocation. So it's not like all the way out, but that joint is really good and gone. 21:48 OK. So it's really removed from its normal position. They call that a subluxation. We as chiropractors have been using the word subluxation because it was founded actually in 1895, a chiropractic. So we've been using it since that time. And, and what a subluxation is is when the basically the movement or the position of the bone adversely affects the nerve's ability to communicate, right? 22:08 We just, we call that a subluxation. OK. So one of the big things that I look for in a holistic chiropractor versus a, you know, one that might not be first and foremost is just are they trying to treat symptoms? Are they chasing pain? 22:24 Are they chasing those types of things, right? Or are they trying to work on subluxations and optimizing the body's ability to heal itself, right? I think that's important from the doctor's perspective because it also needs to get then conceptually passed on to the patient as well. Because, you know, I tell people this all the time and it kind of goes into the root cause stuff that we've talked about is that like, you know, I kind of jokingly say this tongue in cheek to my patients, but like, I don't care about your symptoms. 22:48 Like I don't care about your pain. I care about why your pain is there, right? And so that's the big thing. I would say step one is making sure that you have a chiropractor that's actually like both care planning, treating, speaking to the underlying. Why not just, hey, I have a neck pain, come on in. 23:05 Like if you have a chiropractor that says, yeah, just come on in next time it hurts. I would find a different chiropractor if you want something that depending on what you're looking for. OK, Because I like, you know, talking about like, you know, some of the things we've talked about before, you know, saying pain in my office is kind of a bad word from staff because like it's, it has nothing to do with what the symptoms are, right? 23:24 Like, I could have perfect health and if I fall off a curb, I'm going to be sore. But there's nothing like wrong with. Me. Anyway, so that's one thing. The second thing that I I always recommend people check for with the chiropractor and, and I if somebody called and asked me this, I'd be OK with answering that this is, is asking if the chiropractor themselves get adjusted OK. 23:44 Because if they aren't buying what they're selling, you know, if they don't believe enough in understanding how chiropractic is good beyond symptoms, then I wouldn't want to go there either. Agreed. The last thing that I do in it is I would highly recommend finding somebody that has objective findings of some way. 24:02 My flavor of choice is, is X-rays because there's certain things that show up on bone, especially when you're dealing with the general public. Like, you know, I've had a couple of cancers show up that, you know, over the years that nobody knew about. And if I touched those then like who knows what could have happened, right? 24:17 Same with fractures and stuff. Different types of clinics that are equally effective to what Like, you know, my opinion about things would use something called like an insight scan, which is looking basically for, it'll roll something up the spine and look for basically spikes in inflammation and because that'll show which parts of the spine are dysfunctionally functioning. 24:36 So like, that's another great objective finding. It's looking for different things than X-rays are. But like, you know, so I would say find somebody that like actually treats the root cause, find somebody that also gets adjusted and then find somebody that does something beyond just treatment for pain, you know, like has some X-rays, has some other, you know, objective way to find out what's actually wrong with you. 24:58 Yeah, that's what I would say. What what would you say the like the breakdown in in the chiropractic environment is now like if you're going out looking for a practice to to go to, is it mostly the, you know, traditional chiropractor or is there it's is it a growing movement and, you know, people are studying to become a holistic chiropractor if that's the right term. 25:17 Yeah. Well, and that's man, that's a bag of worms right there. Because, you know, I would say one of the biggest issues with my profession right now is the schools are consistently pushing out people that don't align with that. So as far as like if I was to say a generally realization for the public, I would say if somebody's over the age of 40, they probably like if the doctor's over the age of 40, they probably got taught the right things. 25:38 If they're under the age of 40, I would probably say that there's a good chance that they were getting more outside in style like therapy, rehab, like not a joke. Some of the school that I graduated from right now is basically telling somebody if you don't get them better in like 4 appointments, then immediately refer them out to get an MRI and talk to an ortho surgeon. 25:57 It's like things like that are it's but nothing changes in like 4 appointments. Like even if you put a lot of stock and research like migraines take like 30 appointments to fix and that's again correcting the problem, not the symptoms, right? So for whatever reason, and you know, you can get, you can put on all the tinfoil hats that you want to and stuff about why all the schools are pushing or trying to put out more. 26:19 Like I say this respectfully, but like, you know, chiropractors that think more like physical therapists, like there's a reason why those two professions are separate. PTS are great, but they like there's a reason. Like I said, that chiropractic account, like it's a different profession for a reason. It's trying to accomplish optimal nervous system function. 26:37 Not like, you know, we get a class or three of physical therapy stuff in school. I view it, it's what I was talking to you about with the toxicology classes that when we have some different classes at at school, I view those as exposure to understanding why I need to collaborate and refer out, right? 26:53 I don't want to do rehab and stuff all day. And that's not what my jam is. I want to adjust patients. I take APT class so that I know, Hey, I recognize that's APT problem. It's time for you to go like, you know, we'll Co work with this, right? Because at the end of the day, you know what, what I think is only in the best for the patients is finding doctors that love what they work with, right? 27:15 And what I mean by that is like, you know, if I have a couple orthos that I work with and I'm not gonna send my favorite thing I ask doctors is what's your favorite thing to work on, right? Cuz if somebody loves shoulders, I don't wanna send you only knee patients, you know? What I mean right? So I wanna find like if somebody needs muscle work, if they need PTI, want to send them to the person that wakes up every day and loves doing that, you know, because their results are going to be better. 27:40 And I told this to a patient yesterday, like the only thing that makes me successful is if y'all's health radically improves, right? Because that's that's the only thing. So the only thing that I'm telling people is like what I think is in their best interest, right? Because if you get, you know, poor results going to reflect poorly on me, right? 27:58 So like, I'm here for you guys. And that's something like, you know, so that's why like, hey, if I'm saying, hey, you need this, like go to that doctor because they're going to kick a lot of butt there, you know, they're going to do that thing for you, you know? And what are so you mentioned that you work with orthos and PTS, what are some other doctors that you collaborate with? 28:15 I one that I refer to a ton is a naturopath. I like that. That's who my primary care provider is if you want to call. That OK, Awesome. I haven't seen a medical doctor in quite some time. I mean, I, I go to a natural path if I need something. I mean, like I'll work with some functional medicine docs. There's a couple acupuncturists that I like working for depending on what they have going on. 28:34 Like let's see, there's a dentist that does a lot of like tongue and lip tie revision stuff that I've historically worked with, you know, or those PTS, some speech path folks, you know, a little bit of everything. OK. I like to create, I mean, one of the first things I did in business because we've been at our current location for about 8 years now and one of the first things I did was like go and find like, hey, if I had a patient that kept singing the praises of a podiatrist or something, be like, hey, I would love to talk with you. 29:03 I haven't, we have a mutual patient that says nothing but amazing things about you. I just want to know who you are so I can send more people to you, right? So I'm like slowly kind of developed, you know, people that are willing to work with that because I don't know, here, again, comparing to the Midwest, I don't know why, but people are really closed off and reluctant. 29:20 They, you know, chiropractic is a bad word to a lot of medical doctors here. You know, for whatever reason, like, you know, I just had yesterday somebody say like their medical doctor just said, well, chiropractors aren't real doctors. It's like, OK, like that's changing. That's not worth the oxygen. You know what? I. Mean yes. But it's just like that philosophy I never heard about outside of the East Coast. 29:40 And I don't know why the coasts have a different medical philosophy than the middle of America, but I mean, I that's not, I think it's easy to see that beyond just what I'm saying. So. I was actually going to ask you that because growing up even I just like no one in my family ever saw a chiropractor. 29:55 And I just kind of thought like the connotation is like, oh, no, chiropractors are kind of quacks. And I'm now as an adult now, as I've grown up into an adult and learned more about that, I'm just like, where did this even come from? Well, I'll tell you, a lot of it comes from just the, the stigma coming from medical, the whole medical profession. 30:15 So, you know, we are, we, I'm saying we as chiropractors successfully sued the American Medical Association back in the early 90s for like, you know, a large amount of money for outright prejudice and, and like libel, smear campaign type stuff that was unfounded. 30:31 And one of the things I like to tell people is like, you know, just to dispel some of the myths around like, oh, chiropractic does is the quackery, whatever the heck. You know what I mean? Is that like if chiropractic for as much scrutiny as there is on chiropractic, for as quick as the entire medical profession is to poo poo on us and stuff like that, if it didn't work, the profession would be gone. 30:50 You know what I mean, right? And, and only because of just a giant pile of miracles is the only thing that we can stand up, which is a better thing to stand up than whatever the heck big pharma and everybody else is standing up as far as justifying why it should exist. 31:07 So I mean, my, so we had that, that big prejudicial thing. I think another weird thing, and this is a, a, a concept that I kind of thought about in the last week or two is I think chiropractic has been, is kind of in the box that it is right now. Because back, you know, like I said, chiropractic's been around since 1895. 31:25 And is it cool if I say like how it was founded? Because I think it's an interesting story. Yeah. Yeah, of course. So chiropractic was founded in, you know, back in the day, the, the guy who founded it was a magnetic healer. So, you know, we as humans have an electrical field to our body and stuff, right. And, and today I'm not, I will not claim to know the details of it. 31:44 You know, I wasn't around back then, but you know, they did something to manipulate that to create a healing potential of people, which is cool. So the story goes that there was a guy, so that the founding of chiropractic was in Davenport, IA. And the story goes that the guy who founded it was a magnetic healer. He had a patient was laying on his table at the time doing whatever he needed to. 32:02 He was a a janitor, I'm fairly confident, but his name is Harvey Lillard. And So what happened is he was doing his thing and he acknowledged that something was like what he just describes as seemed elevated in his spine, like something was in a wrong spot or whatever. 32:17 And he had the foresight to like, try pushing it down. The most archaic, rudimentary adjustment that you can, you know, imagine. And the reason and what happened after is that man who is laying on the table was previously deaf and the account goes that he was able to hear the wagon wheels in the streets. 32:35 So cured deafness, right? So the guy think was like started advertising like, holy smokes, I cured deafness. I know what to do now, you know what I mean? So he started advertising that and like other people would come in and wouldn't have the same finding, you know, So he was like, well, what the heck? 32:50 How did that person have that? And they were deaf. And how does this, how is this person deaf? And it's the wrong. It's not there. Right, I was just thinking that. So he's like, what the heck did I just do then? Right? And that kind of led him into like exploring, developing and creating the profession of chiropractic, which is just that inside out healing potential. 33:08 Because like, you know, a big kind of like catch phrase in chiropractic is, is audio Adio, which stands for above down inside out, which your brain talks to your body and then health comes from the inside out, right? So like we as chiropractors will say, like, you know, something is an inside out, you know, healing thing, which is like, you know, are you getting your body to heal itself or are you covering things up from the outside in with like a, you know, a pharmaceutical or something, Right. 33:33 Another thing I'll say just cuz I think it's interesting is back during the Spanish and, and I'll, I'll get back to the question. No, I'm just long winded. No, it's OK. This is interesting. But back in the, during the Spanish flu, during the, you know, the 19 teens or whatever that was like 1913, the city of Davenport did a study to figure out like similarly to what I said with the Ohio folks seeing how chiropractic affect their like, you know, because I don't know if you guys experienced this, but like people that see chiropractors are just healthier, right? 34:00 And so they were kind of exploring like, why are these people healthier? So what they found is that the mortality rate of people that got the, you know, of the Spanish flu in and around Iowa, I think there was 95,000 confirmed. I just looked at it yesterday. 34:16 I think it was 95,000 confirmed cases of people that got the Spanish flu, whatever year it was. And the mortality rate of of people that did not see a chiropractor was one in 15. OK. The people that the mortality rate of people that saw a chiropractor was one in 1600. 34:34 That's crazy. And, and it was literally just the body's ability to heal itself, right. So to get to the answer about like why I think there's stigma and, and stuff around it is like one, there is no profit in, in getting people healthy. You know, like a lot of people are born nowadays and become like an 80 year annuity for big pharma, you know what I mean? 34:53 And I, and I think that part of the reason why there's that negative stigma is that one, you know, a healthier society is harder to control and harder to make money off of, you know, putting the tinfoil hat on just a little bit. But the other thing is, is that for whatever reason, historically, legislature was only granted like legal status to professions if it could be proven right. 35:16 And with chiropractic, since we work on optimizing the nervous system, 100 years ago, technology wasn't there to measure nervous system improvement. And lawmakers wanted to be able to see something. You know, I can see that if I do this surgery or this medicine or whatever, I can track 100 years ago that something changes from that, right? 35:33 You can't track and and measure and like improve the nervous system is getting better right now. Technology is catching up. And that's goes into the research thing that there's some incredible nerve. It like research when it comes to how chiropractic helps with so many things that people are just, you know, myopic to because it would challenge their worldview and they have to be willing to change, which most folks aren't, right. 35:55 And because it wasn't proven actually chiropractic, proven chiropractic was actually illegal in some state. I mean, it was it was just slowly coming more legal in all the states. And I think the last one that legalized chiropractic might have been in like the 80s. So I mean, I was a lot of like back alley. 36:12 Hey, I know a guy kind of like Speakeasy type things in certain states where is like, hey, this guy can heal things. Because I mean, gosh, think of think of how the world would look with this is that back in the day in Davenport, IA, this guy was, I mean, like equally famous to like the president and stuff like that. I mean, JP Barnum, the guy who was the circus dude was one of his best friends. 36:32 Like this chiropractor had the largest radio show West of the Mississippi. Like he used to like parade with elephants and stuff like that with JP Barnum and stuff. But they used to fly people from all over the world to this clinic because they were the only people that were getting people. Well, like think, imagine a world where hundreds of medical doctors were giving up their medical license to go become chiropractors. 36:55 That's what chiropractic was founded upon because I mean, like back then people were willing to like admit that something that they believed was wrong and then do something different about it, right? There wasn't that social proof. There wasn't all the animosity from all the exposure online and stuff like that, right. 37:11 So you know, like that's I know where chiropractic used to be and like it's so sad where it is now because it's only to the detriment of Americans health. It's like that because, you know, other countries have, I don't know, I might like, I have a lot of things that I'll say to patients when they ask things, they'll say, I'm trying to think of a good example that's like more relevant right now. 37:36 But like they'll say something about like, you know, oh, this is just age-related or this is that. And it's like, well, I mean, I'll ask them like, you know, they'll say like, you know, doc, this is just an old age. It's like, well, let me ask you this. All of your bones are the same age. They've had the same nutrition. They've done the same activities. Why do you just have soreness there and then? 37:52 They don't know how to answer that question. But frankly, neither do medical doctors don't know how to answer that question, right. But to some degree with health, and this goes, this confounds the, the, the human mind is that like you don't have to understand everything with health. There's an infiniteness in our brain and how it communicates because like, I don't know how you nobody's found consciousness on an MRI. 38:12 You know what I mean? Like, why can we have a higher level thinking and like an Ant doesn't if they have a brain or whatever, you know, or right. So, you know, like, you know, medical doctors don't know how to answer that question, but they try to force understanding into that paradigm, right. 38:28 And then to, I mean, I would say one of the, the, I guess benchmarks or the, the things that make a chiropractor awesome is that like we are really wired to think against the grain, you know, because obviously there's so much, I guess, evidence and habit and things like that about certain things with paradigms. 38:52 And we challenged all of those things. And it's one of my favorite things about my profession, but it's also why I think it's taboo, why it's quackery, why it's, you know, like you were asking, right, is that there's a history of us showing that the world's paradigm on health is wrong, you know, and were they all were the loudest people talking against that, right? 39:15 There's something I'll, I'll use this as a neurological example, but there's a neurological, I'll just call it phenomenon. It's called aberrant inhibition, OK. And essentially what it is, is if the, if a nerve is has so much negative information going to the brain that the brain can't talk back to do something about it, right? 39:36 It's like you and I talking and I'm talking at you with a megaphone and you're in like a regular speaking voice, right? Like, I'll never hear your side of the conversation, right. What aberrant inhibition does is it keeps your body in a fight or flight state, which suppresses immune system, suppresses function. 39:52 And it is is because if your brain cannot talk to a nerve, it starts shutting things down because it's like holy smoke, something's really wrong. You know what I mean? And that's why, like, you know, a lot of people will sit, will be like, oh. You know, you don't need to see a chiropractor for back pain because like 90% of back pain is self resolving. 40:11 Or if you ignore it for long enough, it'll go away. It's like, OK, that's a very outsiding approach, right? Only making medical choices when you're like sore is wrong. I don't only brush my teeth when my mouth hurts, right? Like when you say things like that, it's silly, but you know that that nerve thing is that like, you know, we and a quick aside, but like, you know, we, it breaks my heart that Americans have settled for such a low expression of health and think that that's OK, right? 40:42 Like they just think, Oh, I don't have pain. And that's like that's the goal with what your body is supposed to do function. It just breaks my heart because there's so much more, right? But those are some of the things that like, that's why repetition is required when it comes to changing things. And why, you know, you have to see a chiropractor for a lot of appointments is because when we're rewiring neurology, like your body takes time. 41:03 If, if somebody goes to the gym, and this is a silly example, but I say this to people like, you know, if I went to the gym and did a million sit ups, I don't have abs the next day. I could be working with the best trainer. I could have perfect nutrition. I could make, I could go for a world record on any lift. 41:21 And I don't get a lot of change the next day because you can't rush Physiology, you know, with, with, with people in the office. You know, like part of how I've been recently separating symptoms and, and problem is like, you know, when you go to the dentist, they might not in the, you know, they might numb it or something right there. 41:38 But after they numb it is when they do the work, right? Like, you know, the pain is not the problem and all of dentistry agrees with that. You know, they'll remove the symptoms so they can actually go and do what they need to, right? And so I tell patients the same thing. It's like, you know, hey, these therapies, this thing, the stretching, whatever, like do what you need to, but like, it doesn't change what we need to do on the work side of things. 41:57 Because how, how the brain works, whether you're learning a new language, whether you're learning a new instrument, whether you're changing a habit at the gym, whatever is, is how, what chiropractic works on. So how the brain works. I want you guys to think about it like this is like if you have a big open field, like, you know, tall grass waste high or whatever, right? 42:16 If there's no path in there, it is hard to walk across that field, right? If you walk across that field once grass lays down a little bit, if you walk across that field 10 times in that same path, obviously you're going to have a path now, all right? That's what a synapse is in the brain. That is your body making a connection and A to B connection. 42:32 And when you do the same thing over and over and over again, you're making that path in your brain. You know, that's why you know, daily practice of gratitude is important. That's why daily practice of a whole bunch of things are important because you want to make sure that you're walking the path intentionally, right? So when it comes to chiropractic or learning a language or anything, when you're making those intentionally different paths, it requires the repetition, but that path is still there. 42:56 Like if I walk down a second path enough times, I will now have two paths. And part of what muscle memory is part of why discipline matters and stuff is it takes a long time for your body to regrow old paths, right? In a way where you're, it's not the, the available option anymore, right? 43:15 Like, you know, a lot of people will try to rush through like an injury or something like that. But like, so there's a Physiology textbook. It's like the Bible on Physiology called Gaitan and Hall. And it's what medical doctors use. It's what I learned on all of it. And they say that if you have a soft tissue injury, so like anything that's not bone related, basically takes 12 to 18 months to feel, to fix that problem, not to be sore or like not sore anymore, but for your body to not be having compensating factors or, or reduced function, it takes that much time. 43:44 I say all of that just to. Like, you know. I guess impress upon the audience that like, you know, healing takes time and don't let symptoms dictate choices. You could be exactly doing like and frankly, you want to be like some some soreness and some challenges. 44:01 Good. That's how you move forward. Like nobody goes to the gym, has the most comfortable workout ever, just kind of sits there and has a good time and gets shredded. Like nobody does that. Like you have to challenge yourself, you have to work, you have to do it like the repetition to change. And it's the same with chiropractic. 44:17 It's the same with nutrition. It's the same with anything in natural medicine. Like the barrier to natural, how to stick with medicine for the average person is, is that it requires work, you know, and that's the the convenience of medicine. Like I don't have to change my choices. If I can take a pill for this, you know, it's in my house. 44:35 I don't, I also, I feel like a lot of the general public identifies with their symptoms and doesn't know how to separate themselves from that. Right. And I feel like that's one of the things that I work a lot on in the office. Once we get kind of the past, the initial thing is kind of like just specific verbage. 44:52 I talk to people about to kind of work towards disconnecting them from those symptoms because, you know, it, it, it transcends health too. You know, it's, it's what most of their social interactions are. Their loved ones might be like, you know, Hey, how's the back doing? You know, that might be like a normal thing they talk about. 45:09 You know, they're so used to everything in their house being positioned or, or should they have routines around whatever their health challenges, right? So, you know, when and with a pill, it's really easy to suppress those and then just do what you need to. 45:24 But like, when it comes to actually changing the problem, that takes time. And I feel like that's a big barrier to a lot of people. Yeah, no, I think you everything you just said there really resonates, right. And there's there's a huge well, I wouldn't say huge, but there's there's definitely a movement here. A few things really. 45:41 So I think people in general are taking a better approach to protecting their mental health and trying to correct some of those things thing about rewiring their brains and, you know, undoing some of the damage that we've done as as a human right and living in this world in this environment. 45:56 But it's really, as you say, with, you know, going and, and having the check UPS and it's, it's like you can put new tires on a car, but if the engine's not running, it's not going to go anywhere, right? And you have to continue to do that with your body too. And I think that it's more about not so much as putting more in, right, but just kind of correcting what's already there and allowing it to operate the way it's supposed to operate. 46:20 I mean, I don't know if I said that, right? If it's the whole, if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of thing. Your body is not broken. It's salvageable, right? And it's not right for us to sit here and accept that it's old age or anything like we shouldn't be broken down by 40 years old. 46:36 That should not be exactly right. Yeah. And then like and then like. You know the thing that people. Don't understand is that like sometimes like in a lot of ways, health is like investing where it's like, you know, not how much money you throw in at the end of retirement, it's how much like it's time in the market, right? So like, you know, when it comes to health, a lot of folks, you know, some topics, some like hot topics right now are like kind of the bump at the base of the neck when people's neck posture start suffering, right? 46:57 Or technic type stuff. Or like, you know, if they, you know, they don't want to walk around all hunched over like, you know, a grandparent or something like that, right? And like, what they don't realize is those things start in like you, you like their 20s and 30s, right? I would say my favorite book for chiropractic that I just think is fantastic for like natural health, because I think it gives a lot of to me, I think it has the opportunity to give a lot of agency and a lot of control and personal sovereignty back to the person because the whole book it speaks about chiropractic philosophy, but I think it does an awesome job of breaking some of the chains that attach you to an old paradigm kind of thing. 47:37 I really enjoy it, but there's something called limitations of matter where I mean, when you have, which is one of the principles. So that my favorite book that I would, you know, recommend to the audience and to you guys, that's called 33 and the the book 33, it's written by David Serio. I don't know in case Amazon has multiple books titled 33, but chiropractic is founded on 33 principles. 47:58 And essentially what he did is he found 33 successful chiropractors that, you know, drank the kool-aid and do the right things and had each of those 33 chiropractors, right? Basically about each principle. So it's one of my favorite things also is it's digestible because it might be like 2 to 4 pages about each principle. 48:18 So you can hit your thing. You can, you know, spend your 5 minutes reading about that thing, do it maybe the next day. But you know, they were they write about their perspective and then he comes in with some anchor points afterwards to kind of talk about. And I really think it's awesome. But one of them has to do with limitations of matter is the name of it is that like, you know, essentially what happens with health in is, is that there is, I don't want to say this, a lot of infections and things like that. 48:44 Take strep for example, right? Like we all humans always have streptococcus. The streptococcus, the bacteria is always on our body, right? A lot of times when you have an infection, this kind of goes into that inside out thing, right? Is your body is trying to keep us alive at all times. 49:00 And when infections, when symptoms of any kind, fibromyalgia, whatever, how any symptom in the body happens is if your body's capacity for keeping alive is here and it starts to lower that, but the ceiling gets lower at some point, the water is not going to change the level, right? 49:18 So like, you know, if my body for an example, is able to manage at a healthy level 80 irrelevant numbers, but like 80 streptococcus, right? And I have stress and my job's getting tough and my kids are sick and I didn't sleep well last night. 49:33 And, you know, maybe my line, instead of my ceiling being at 100, my ceiling hit 79. You now have a strep infection. OK, So that that's how illness of any kind works, right? So what ends up happening with limitation? And, and the same is true of like anything in the nervous system, right? 49:50 So a random fun fact is only about 10% of a nerve communicates pain, 90% communicates function. So I hear that and think like somebody could have a 90% problem and have no pain with it, you know what I mean? So when it comes to like, that's one of my favorite ways to talk to people about dispelling the myth of like, I only make a decision when I have pain, you know what I mean? 50:12 Because it's, it's so much more than that. But the same thing is true of that. Like, you know, if your body is trying to communicate at 100% all the time and life causes you to like your expression of health gets down to maybe 90% capacity, 80% capacity, whatever. Maybe you crossed down below 80, you hit 79 and now you have migraines, Now you have sciatica. 50:33 And it's it's not that that nerve that it didn't like become a problem at that moment. It's just that your body's ability to function, to keep itself alive, to adapt to stress, to stay healthy has slowly suppressed with daily life until and that's where self-care matters, whether it's therapy, whether it's nutrition, all of self-care keeps our capacity at higher right. 50:58 So, and that's that's why like, you know, a big thing talking about quackery and stuff around chiropractic, one of the big misnomers we get is the whole like, you know, once you start going, you always have to go. Like that's a big reason why people don't go to a chiropractor. And like, it always makes me laugh because it's like, it's, it's I'll talk medically and then I'll talk tongue in cheek. 51:16 Is, is the reason why medically that that makes sense is because of what I just said is that your body always has to respond to its environment. And since I can't protect your body from stress forever, you need to have self-care, right? And then the tongue in cheek answer, I would say is like, well, if you don't go to the gym, you're not getting in better shape either. 51:34 You know, it's just like there there is one of the biggest issues with America, and I think I say America intentionally compared to other countries is we have such a fast-paced life where we try to ram so much crap into our 24 hours that we can that we don't need time to take care of ourselves and just burn ourselves out, right? 51:50 All the comparison you're swiping, you're like, you know, trying to game plan for that vacation that your sister's cousin did and like all that and like all that crap, right? So because of that, like we're not doing that daily upkeep, you know, we need like other countries intentionally slowed down, like they have, you know, different work hours societally than we have, you know, those types of things. 52:09 But I bring all that up on the philosophy thing because there's something called limitations of matter, which is like when your negligence slowly erodes the inside of your body, your ceiling slowly gets lower. And what the only thing age does is that it gradually lowers your capacity for expression of health, right? 52:27 So like, maybe if you're firing on all cylinders, you're 70 years old, maybe the highest you can ever be on a random arbitrary number is 70 out of 100. You know what I mean? Which, you know, for the three of us, maybe our highest is 95, right? I'll tell you when I had my TBI, my big brain injury, like I have certain long term symptoms coming from that that are just because that portion of my body has a lower ceiling because of something that I can't control and say there's a limitation to that matter. 52:57 It's never going to be 100% perfect again. And I'm OK with that. Like I don't have any. Like if I have a symptom that comes up from it, I'm like, hey, the body's how I view symptoms is any kind, any symptom of any kind is that my body is telling me something, right? 53:13 There's not a problem, there's not a catastrophe. It's just, you know, and I, and I use that to measure my own personal health and self-care. So an example being how I view my own, my own health is that like I perceive myself as healthy right now. I don't have any active symptoms. 53:30 I have AI, have a self-care regimen and I know that I'm taking care of my body to produce optimal function. If at some point my body starts expressing A symptom, I view it like a balance scale type thing. If there's more stress on my body, a symptom will show up. 53:46 So what I need to do to offset that is more self-care, right? So if I have a headache, I don't think, oh, I'm dying because I have a self-care routine and I'm taking care of myself. I then maybe I get an extra adjustment. Maybe I spend 20 minutes less on technology. 54:02 Maybe I go to bed 1/2 hour earlier. Maybe I take an extra 2 glasses of water or something like that, right? Maybe I know, hey, I perceive stress in my body. I'm going to eat, let I'm not going to skip dessert tonight. I'm going to eat less carbs and less dairy, right? So like, you know, it's a sliding scale in my brain that like, you know, if your body is expressing a symptom, assess like what your reality looks like and troubleshoot and then go suck. 54:27 I took another example. Sorry for being long winded, but you know, we did. I've done food sensitivity tests in the past. I like some healthy things for me are on that, like eggs are on that certain nuts and berries and stuff are on that for me. Do I avoid those healthy things all the time? 54:43 Are those things all the time? No, but I know what my my trigger like sensitivities are. So that is same thing. If my health starts expressing things I'll take out like eggs are good for you. Eggs are a great source of so many things. I will stop eating eggs if my body is symptomatic because I'm I want to give my body the best chance it can to express health right. 55:04 That makes total sense and I so. You do think that the accuracy of the food sensitivity tests are legit? Because sometimes I get contradicting, kind of because I had that done too and I was bombed. Because cheddar cheese is on there and I love cheese. 55:20 Use it as a slider like I'm not gonna. Avoid cheese because cheese is online. Like I eat cheese, but if my body is like, you know, I'll offset my dietary stressors, inflammatory things with some other choices, you know, I don't drink, you know, an example, like I don't drink any soft drinks. I'd rather eat my sugars than drink my sugars, you know, so so I make some of those choices and just kind of play around with it. 55:40 That's great. I love that outlook. You got an. Awareness and you work with IT 100. Percent and keep it on message, like all everything I'm saying is chiropractic philosophy. Yeah, is that I'm I'm speaking truths about the human body. I'm speaking about how stress affects the expression of health. 55:55 And chiropractic is all about removing that stress and helping your body optimally function in your environment. Yeah, I think there's the first thought that. Everybody has. When any kind of symptom pops up, like you mentioned headache or your knee aches or something like that, you go on Google and you find out the worst case scenario, assume you have it or you look for medicine or something else to get rid of it real quick so you can move on. 56:17 And I think the last thing we all think about is just slowing down, taking care of yourself for a minute, you know, whatever it is, drink some more water. If you got a headache, do you know, go outside, ground a little bit, right? Get some sun. That's the last thing we think about because it's just, it's not part of that fast-paced lifestyle that we've just picked up here, especially in America, for sure. 56:36 Pira Vita. Pira Vita, Yeah. I love telling people. Like I'll tell. Patients to go ground like, hey, I got some really easy homework for you just go stand barefoot in the grass. Yeah, like what? And I like, but it's weird because this and this goes, I don't know, this goes back into the cultural relevance stuff. The social proof is that, like, you know, when you say things like that, like, we know that it is really good for you, but like, for the average person, it almost like sabotages your authority because it's such a simple thing. 57:01 Yeah. It can't be that easy. I'm hurting too much. Yeah, I have that. I have that as a struggle in practice is like, you know, people because what I do is so like, you know, I guess, you know, we've worked hard to make it appear more simple than it is. But at the end of the day, chiropractic is a fairly simple thing. It's just get your body out of its own way. 57:18 Yes. And when you tell people that they're like, wait, that's it. And they try to, like, monkey it and create new, like, all these different moving parts. Don't you want a simple SO? Because we're not used to it, but that is. Exactly what happened? So Carl, he was treated by a chiro Proctor with initially he suggested that he go on the carnivore diet, the lions version of carnivore diet. 57:37 So it was really, really hard. And you know, people, some people in our family and friends were like, wait a minute. So he's just going on a diet like that's supposed to fix it. And I'm just like, I wanted to say this, but I'm like, how do I say this in an eloquent way? Like think about what you're saying. 57:53 It's literally what you're putting in your body. And it did. It has made such a huge difference is in his healing. He actually got AGI map done and it was like almost perfect. The doctor was amazing. We never see this. It's because the food is truly medicine myself. Got a? Chance to reset, you know, but everybody was so focused on are you losing weight? 58:13 Is that your goal? You know, like, oh, you look skinnier and stuff. I'm like, well, no, I'm just more efficient, you know, and I'm, I'm getting to where I should be. Percent. Nobody could believe it was just a diet. Right, right. But it completely can't forget this. Because I was thinking. About it earlier, but I was in a monologue, but you know, when when I was talking about like my heart breaking for how like the the level of health that people are like tolerating or whatever. 58:31 One of my favorite ways to talk about that is like I'm assuming that the three of us don't drink a lot of like, you know soft drinks and stuff. No, I don't know if you call it never. I don't know if. You're a soda family or a. Pop family, but pop. I kind of go back and forth on how I reference a pop I grew up in. So I moved from Texas to Pennsylvania. 58:47 So I think that's a soda area. And then the Midwest is more of a pop thing, so it kind of flares up on time to time. So anyways, so I bring that up because if I drink, I don't know, a small can of Sprite or something like that, Bloated, I feel crappy, I feel sluggish, whatever. 59:03 But then homie down the street can hit like 64 ounces of that and have no problem. Oh yeah, some might say. And one way to. Look at it, is that like, oh, well, me, I must not be as tough as that person or like, or my body's just not used to it or something like that, right? But what I would say is, is that like, no, my body is just actively able to express how good it's supposed to feel because I tell people this all the time is that if you don't know how good your body is supposed to feel, your body doesn't know how to tell you about it, right. 59:31 So that person that is overweight, is eating unhealthy, has all these metabolic issues, might have autoimmune and that ones little uncontrollable per se, but some of those choice LED things that they've slowly degraded their body into, their body is tolerant of that stuff and it needs to become untolerant of that stuff, right. 59:52 So sometimes communicating A symptom, this is a way for me to say communicating a symptom is a good thing. You should feel like crap if you drink a big Gulp. Yeah. And so. That. Goes into the troubleshooting, not old, like symptoms are bad, like, you know, strive for a better expression of health. 1:00:10 Like, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I know there's a lot of excuses why not to do this, but I wish everyone could take a few months, right? To just back off and eat very simple foods, drink water, maybe a little coffee here and there. You got to have a couple of vices here and there, but like, pull away from the processed stuff for a minute, that the fast food, that kind of thing and feel how that feels. 1:00:32 Because, you know, after I went through that experience, now when I do have anything like that, I immediately know, like, I feel better without that. Yeah. Like I know how to feel better, how to feel good. Yeah. And I don't have any interest in any wire when the synapses like I was talking about, like when you train your body enough that like, holy smokes, this is how good I'm supposed to feel. 1:00:49 Because like all, you know, as a little clinical thing is like far beyond. I kind of refer to treating a treatment plan with patients in two, two ways. There's like, you know, the braces portion where we're changing things. Then there's the retainer portion where we're just working on creating new memory around it and stuff, right. And the retainer portion is like always past the point of people have no symptoms anymore. 1:01:09 And it's because we're rewiring. Like this is how good your body's supposed to feel. And I want your body to get used to that. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because that's that's. How you get? More long lasting relief of things, right? Like you know when you have more long lasting impact? Like if you lose 100 lbs and then like you go and celebrate by hot, like going to Waffle House and having an all you can eat kind of thing, like and and immediately going back to old habits. 1:01:30 I mean, sure, you lost weight, but like you didn't change your lifestyle, right? And that's that goes into the repetition that goes into that rewiring of the brain, all that kind of stuff, right? Exactly. There's no longevity there if you do that. And that's another thing is people view health like a snapshot in time rather than a journey. It's not, I mean, it's journey over destination to stuff, right? 1:01:46 Like, you know that I don't know, that goes into it's all the choices. It goes into longevity. It does. What are some of the common? Treatments that you prescribe people like, I'm sure diet's part of it. What are some of the other things that are common? I'll recommend. Grounding I'll recommend. 1:02:02 You know, being mindful of sleep, gratitude stuff like putting your phone down, doing those types of things. Have you talked about a food sensitivity test, manipulating your diet, you know, exercise? Try this. I mean, like I'll, I have like a really approachable like easy access 10, like do these 10 things or at least dabble in this. 1:02:19 And if you need something beyond that, like this person's an expert in this portion of things like go do that, you know, because I it's also just from, and it goes into like putting on the business owner hat. Like I want to do my favorite parts of work all day long, which is taking care of patients. 1:02:35 What I don't want to do all day long is talking about like nutrition and and which it's fantastic. And for people that want to do that, more power to them, right? Like I want to adjust people. I want to, you know, like work on the bio mechanics. I want to celebrate their victories because I mean, like we have people that like cry, I laugh and celebrate in their inner office all the time. 1:02:54 It's like, you know, because my goal is to help people accomplish miracles in their health. And if somebody's like, you know, I had a guy that came in, gosh, maybe two of my favorite testimonies over the last couple of years. One of them was a guy that came in. I honestly only saw him a couple of times and he got, he continued to go get more care from a friend that I referred him to because he was in town from Charlotte. 1:03:14 But he came in on like a Wednesday and he's like, I'm supposed to get married on Friday and I cannot move. And he's like, you know, I wanted, Nina's getting emotional. He's like a 30 year old guy. He's like, I want to dance with my wife. I want to be able to do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And so we, I think I saw him like 4 times in like 48 hours basically. 1:03:31 And he was able to, I mean, we got him well enough to like do that. And he sent us like a thank you card. He came in and was like really emotional showing us pictures of the wedding and all that kind of stuff. It was like this really awesome moment, right? Like I love being a part of those things. I had another guy that came in a couple years ago that out of nowhere, he was just like, actually I have two, I have two more stories, this one beyond this one. 1:03:54 But he came in out of nowhere and he's like, you'll talk like is what we're working on. Could it affect your vision? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. I'm like the nerves that go to your eyes come from your upper neck. And he came in with like headaches and stuff. I was like, absolutely, same nerves. And I was like, why do you ask? And then he's again, like 30 year old dude, you know, hits different when a guy cries. 1:04:12 He started getting emotional and he was telling me that he's been color blind his entire life and every time he gets adjusted, he can see the color blue for like 30 minutes. No kidding. And so like every time I saw him and I said I'm getting a little emotional thinking about it. It's just like super cool. But like, you know, he would every appointment wear a blue shirt and I mean, like, and he ended up moving somewhere else. 1:04:32 So like I don't see him anymore, but it was like did not come in with that. Holy smokes though, right. Another one is we had a guy that was maybe about 19 years old at the time and he was a roofer and he had really bad, come to find out he had really bad digestive issues. 1:04:48 I met him because he was having back, back pain stuff. So we were working on pain stuff. Took some X-rays. Hey, this is what's wrong kind of thing. And he, he was telling me that he's like, you know, hey, can what we're working on affect digestive system. And I was like, yeah, man, same nerves. What's up? 1:05:04 And he was saying that every like for years, he basically had like no heads up if he had to go to the bathroom, like, you know, if he needed to like take a, you know, go poop. I mean, I we can talk about poop here. So if he if he had to go, he would have like a 32nd heads up. 1:05:19 And he's roofing, he's carrying like shingles, he's on a building and he's got to like, basically like Sprint down a ladder, go to a deal, you know, had some accidents, all kinds of stuff happen, right. So and, and that started getting better and he saw like everything. Yeah, I think he was having some Crone stuff but I can't remember exactly. 1:05:36 But either way we were just adjusting him and he got it totally went away. He's I've been taking care of him long, like just for prevention stuff for like 5 years and he's never had to come back. Wow. One thing he changed in his life was getting adjusted. You must feel so super cool. I love it. You're speaking our language. Like, are we best friends now? 1:05:53 I think so. I was also. I was. Wondering is there a resource out there where somebody who may have color blindness, right or that I the poop problem, yeah, yeah. Where they could go and look and see if chiropractic is something they should explore before just. 1:06:09 But is there a resource out there where you can find some of that information to understand that that could be nerve related or something that could be worked on? Not in a great way, because that's the thing that goes into the whole and this is the, I mean, the devil's advocacy of chiropractic is that it's like impossible to quantify and qualify, right? 1:06:25 Because like, you know, goes into the 10% of the nerve doing pain related stuff, right? Like, you know, random thing just to make his world parents here and stuff like, you know, the same nerves that tell a kid that they have an ear infection will tell us that we have a migraine, right? But different ages will express symptoms in a different way, right? Like, you know, the nerve that will cause Constipation or colic in a baby, we will get sciatica, right? 1:06:45 Like, obviously an adult is never diagnosed with colic, you know, like it's, it's because different nerves at different ages express different symptoms, right? So like, to me, I'd like my like boring, albeit very biased, like answer to that is every person to see a chiropractor. 1:07:00 So I was thinking and, and, and what I think is that every person to see a chiropractor because it rules out the biggest common denominator. Like I know my nerves are talking. And if there are still symptoms, then then you need to talk to a medical doctor. Then you need to elevate the problem to something more significant, you know, because until then, I, it's like wondering why the garden? 1:07:21 It's like you're trying to water your garden, but somebody's standing on the hose and you're wondering why the water is not coming out And all you're doing is talking about the garden being the problem rather than the fact that somebody's standing on the garden. You know what I mean? Like that's, that's what chiropractic is to me is that like every person with a spine and a brain should see a chiropractor because it is the common denominator of everything. 1:07:40 Makes your nutrition function better, makes your exercise function better. It'll it like literally golly what? There was a thing that I saw, and I guess maybe this is, I don't know if this is maybe more of a clinical thing, but if I'll put it on the general public's radar in case they want it. The best maybe intangible, weird answer to that is there's a gal by the name of Monique Andrews. 1:08:00 She's a chiropractor that does a ton of like research. And really what she does is I think I pay something like 20 or $30.00 a month for this service and she basically distills modern research down into like chiropractic talking points and updates on all that kind of stuff. So the last one that she just talked about just, and, and these are monthly updates, if I didn't say that. 1:08:19 So the latest newsletter deal that I just got from her was basically investigating how low back disc stuff affects the brain. So like, you know, and, and so many more things. So kind of is a little bit of a weird and tangible thing like you're asking. But the thing that I think is really interesting is that the thing that consistently lights up in the brain as perceiving where like the pain response is and where the disc injuries are coming from is the same part of the brain that controls emotional regulation. 1:08:46 So basically what modern research is showing and and we both know that like when people, we all know that when people are sore, they're more grumpy and all that kind of stuff, right. But even from a non soreness perspective, like research wise, if people care about research, we have modern day proof that adjusting the low back improves the function of the brain that wrote like it regulates emotions. 1:09:08 Now I think all of us could say listeners included, that we know somebody that could use some help with emotional regulations. Yeah, definitely. So like. It goes into like every. Person should have this. Yeah, I think like I would have assumed that hey, my back feels better so I'm happier. 1:09:23 But really it's a foundational thing like you're you're causing or fixing of actual cause of the of the emotional dysregulation. That's right. And that goes into like to circle all the way back to my testimony, right. The thing I will never know and which is which is fine. I'll have a I'll have a talk with God when I'm done. 1:09:40 But like, what I don't know is was my Atlas already subluxated which caused the fainting, or was the fainting what caused the subluxation? Either way, I just choose to view that God didn't want me to be an architect. Yeah. So, well, look, now you're doing something that you love. 1:09:57 So it's put you on the right path. That's right. That's right. Is that everything happens for a reason. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Bigger planes in mind. So right. Yeah, That's right. That's amazing. Yeah. So I have a question. Yeah, of course. When somebody comes in to you, suppose they have neurological issues or any type of body pain anywhere in their body, and you're trying to figure out what the root causes of it is, how would you go? 1:10:20 I know it's going to be different based on what the issue is, but would you ever get testing or is it imaging? Like how do you kind of start from square one with that? Yeah, so so step. One for me, like I said, is like we have people come in part of our intake paperwork kind of identifies what their goals are. 1:10:37 We have a box that has a bunch of like high level goals about like maybe it's pain relief, maybe it's optimal Wellness, maybe it's and fill in the blanks. You know what I mean? Some high level stuff, depending on what they, what they circle will dictate some of what we talk about kind of thing, you know, so like we they come in first and foremost, it's always like, Hey, what brings you in? 1:10:57 Give me some, you know, history and give me, you know, catch me up on stuff, right? And then also, that's when we drill into the goal stuff, right? Like one of my favorite questions to ask people is like, you know, hey, you come in for back pain, neck pain, whatever. Like do you have any health concerns? Even if you think it's unrelated to whatever their main question is or their main concern is, right? 1:11:13 It's my favorite question because a lot of people will be like, well, my digestion sometimes acts up. It's always the door that opens when people do beyond pain symptoms, right? And then depending on what they say will dictate kind of those things. 1:11:31 I mean, I would say from a general perspective, the thing I talk about the most is food sensitivity and diet related stuff just based on what communication comes up. And, and I give them resources for that. I'll tell like, hey, order this work with this person. Like unfortunately today's age, like, you know, insurance doesn't really cover a lot of the natural holistic stuff. 1:11:52 And for better or worse, a lot of people still are really beholden to only making decisions that insurance does, right? So because of that, I don't feel like there's as much momentum in some of those other capacities. They'll be like, hey, I'll take care. I'll answer your questions. 1:12:08 But like this person's going to fix what you're asking me questions about. So we identify that and have those conversations depending on goals. I take X-rays of basically every patient that's older than like a four or five. And some people might think that's wild, but like, I've taken X-rays on all my young kids that are 7 and 8. 1:12:25 The, the 2 year old hasn't had X-rays yet because she won't stand still. But I was at continuing education this past weekend at our state conference. So like our state association put on a deal where they, like modern research shows, you know, people will say like, oh, I don't want X-rays because of the radiation and stuff like that. 1:12:41 And it shocked me, but the amount of radiation required to generate a like a radiation symptom was like 5000 X-rays in 24 hours. I mean, it was like a staggering number because a lot of the old research and stuff is based off of like not a joke off of like Chernobyl. 1:13:02 I mean, it's like that level of stuff, right? So like I take X-rays on every patient because again, I'm looking for the alignments. I'm looking for where those like the nerves aren't talking, where somebody's standing on the garden hose type thing, right? Because to me, I view being a doctor is not just helping people ask what, you know, like accomplish what they're asking, but also to find the things they're not not asking about also, right. 1:13:23 Because one of the funny things about the spine is it's, it's obviously like it's a chain. It's, it's, it's all connected. And like one of the reasons why, you know, we have to be specific with what we do, why there's mastery and chiropractic beyond just the understanding of the nervous system and stuff like that is, is that when it comes to the spine, like let's say for an example, like a really common spot that I work on is like is L5, which is the last bone right before your tailbone basically. 1:13:50 So that's a really common one because it's the bottom of the chain. It supports everything above it kind of thing. That's where the nerves that go to digestive function are reproductive organ. Like we've helped like women that are having infertility issues like that. Like we have to, you know, and guys, you know, we've helped. We'll just call it couples because we'll get both people on track because you don't know who it's coming from kind of thing. 1:14:07 Yeah, yeah. So we've helped with a lot of. Stuff digestive. Concerns urinary stuff, like we help with a ton of like with kids with bed wetting and things like that down there. But the reason why I bring that up and why we need to be specific with stuff, it goes into how anatomy works is there's something called a volitionary joint, which means voluntarily movable. 1:14:25 So I can voluntarily move my wrist. That is a volitionary joint. I can't tell my left L5 to move, you know, in my spine, right? And that's why it goes into the mastery in the specifics of like how when we do the analysis to figure out what we're going to treat like. I view it like a group project. 1:14:42 So in the low back, you got 5 bones. If just one of them is the problem, that means like a group project, the other four are working overtime, right? Because the one's not doing its job right? You don't give more work to the people doing their job because that will in real life cause them to become frustrated, them to get less productive, them to stop working, right? 1:15:02 And that's how negligence can cause more than one problem is because your body has a defense mechanism where think of like a rolled ankle. If you roll an ankle, it stiffens and swells your body's defense mechanism. Same with when you get stressed, your shoulders get tight, right? 1:15:18 Your body's defense mechanism is always to restrict movement to prevent it from getting worse. But an ankle or wrist, whatever, I can move that to restore motion so that it heals and stops that fight or flight stress response, right? But you can't do that with like your L5. 1:15:35 So that's why we take X-rays because like your body still blocks it down. So it's more extra work on the area around it because there's a problem. But we got to go look for where that problem is. And that goes into like what I said before about finding a chiropractor that does something. There's different ways to like efficacy like that are with efficacy to figure out like good ways to identify that. 1:15:54 But like you got to go, you got to figure out why it's happening, right, Right. It's very. Interesting. And you know, children, So what so if somebody is like, you know, dealing with colic or something digestive issues, a lot of babies have it's very common. 1:16:09 Skin issues is so common. And they're like, what do I do? I want to go to the holistic route. I want to go to a chiropractor, but I'm nervous because it's a baby. What advice would you give to somebody who has those thoughts? I love that you asked that. So one I want to talk about like. Why babies need chiropractic care? Because in, in my world at least, there's like the, The best time to see a chiropractor is 2 points in time right now or birth. 1:16:33 And part of the reason for that is I, and this is AOB stat, this isn't a me thing, but it's like an over 95% of births cause trauma to the upper neck because you got to get the baby out, you know, pulled by the neck, Which I mean, frankly, I mean, when you watch that, I mean, like, obviously it's the beauty of birth and stuff. 1:16:51 But like, can you, can us as adults imagine our entire weight being pulled by the neck? You know what I mean? Like that sounds wild, right? So that's where a lot of in my brain, like there's a type of chiropractic technique called upper cervical care, which the philosophy is basically just only treat the upper neck because every nerve, even the ones down to your toes go through the upper neck basically. 1:17:11 So they focus mostly on that. But that's why to me at birth, you know, you can have colic, which is a low back nerve, but you can come from, you know, birth stress and stuff like that because those nerves still come from the neck, right? So First off is just acknowledging the need for chiropractic care with kiddos because some other stuff, and I hope this is like on on message and I'm not deviating too much, but like part of the reason why seeing a chiropractor is so awesome for kiddos is because like as they're learning to well, one, they're learning all of those synapses, right? 1:17:43 Like, you know, if the brain develops, I think it's like some outrageous number. It's like 80% of your brain's associations and synapses are made before 2 years old or something. And I might be a little wrong, but it's like the vast majority of them. And then it's like 95% by 5 years old. I mean, it's like a huge number. 1:18:00 And then beyond that, like the curves in the spine, like proprioception, coordination, like all of those things are formed. Like the reason why crawling is important for kids is because that's when the curves in the neck and the low back are forming because you know, when they're hunched over in a banana shape all day long in the carrier and feeding and those kinds of things, like it will always look like that. 1:18:19 And once they start moving is when they turn into an upright Organism, right? Because you know what, your body starts on all fours and then has to learn we're the only like real people that, well, we're the only real species that walks around upright, right? So your body's ability to communicate from the bottom up is critically important. 1:18:36 And that's where the nerves and that's where the position of the spine white all matters, right? So anyway, so kiddo care is my favorite because it's also like you're getting them before they have long term problems, you know, it's quicker to fix. The capacity for improvement is so much better, you know. So anyways, as far as what it looks like, pediatric offices that really specialize in Pediatrics, we'll go into them when I was talking before about that inside scan that looks for the like the inflammation on both sides of the spine and stuff like that. 1:19:04 That's really a hallmark of a pediatric clinic is that it's a way to get like actionable information from a pregnancy because obviously you're not going to take an X-ray on a pregnant woman, right? You're not going to do, you know, you're 4 month old, you're not going to X-ray. So it gives like actionable objective information to figure out where those misalignments and subluxations are. 1:19:25 And as far as what it looks like, I'll say in general, a lot of the times with, you know, you see, it's obviously it's treating like a newborn or a six month old or whatever isn't what, you know, you see on YouTube and stuff like that, right? No, I always say that a lot of times it's like testing the ripenesses of of a fruit. So kiddos, they don't have that rigidity, like their bones aren't fully bone yet, as weird as that sounds. 1:19:47 You know, there's a lot of play in there and they move around a lot more this elasticity. So a lot of times it's not like a big movement, it's just some small pressure in the direction we want it to improve with the same amount of force that you'd be testing, like the ripeness of an apple at the store with and holding it in the direction that it's supposed to go. 1:20:03 And you can feel the baby like, you know, it'll just the problem like will melt in your hands. You can feel the bone move like it needs to. And then, you know, like we've had, you know, we'll have tons of like blowouts in the office and things like that because you know, like the body just freaking breathes and just lets it all out, you know what I mean? So that's that's what it looks like. 1:20:19 So. Probably helps release some of their. Emotions too. A lot of it, yeah. I mean, we see a ton like, you know, all of. The sensory stuff, like how I view, so I, I view sensory stuff is like, you know, your brain and your body have a relationship. And I know I've been talking about it a lot. But like at the end of the day, a lot of sensory stuff to me is a quantity problem where like the quantity of information going to the brain is either more or less than it's able to understand, right? 1:20:43 How I view like a seizure, for example, is your body throwing the breaker? OK? There's just so much stuff going on. I'm going to hit factory reset real quick. And then, you know, the body is recalibrating that impulse, right? You know, if it's like trying to drink from a fire hose kind of thing sometimes, right? So a lot of times to me, what sensory stuff is, is there's just, I mean, it's simple at the end of the day. 1:21:03 I know it's a complex situation, but there's it's just an abundance of information going to the brain with the inability to sift through it. Right. So what we work on with those kinds of things is like I said, you know, we'll still, I mean, I would do a similar adjustment to somebody that's got an extreme version of autism is I would that's somebody that's got like, you know, hey, my next little out, you know what I mean? 1:21:24 Like it's this the same part of the body that needs the work, you know? So I would work on those things and work on, you know, taking, again, stress out of the system, helping the body be able to communicate between those places and go from there. Yeah, that's interesting. What can people do at home in between? Appointments to support their alignment. 1:21:40 Yeah, that's a great question. So some of the things that I tell people to do is like, and I'm going to skip some of the obvious things like staying active and stuff like that, right? I would say the one of the least obvious things is like just striving for symmetry. 1:21:56 So like even me right now, like if if you're looking at looking at the camera, like I got my right leg over my left, my hips are twisted. I'm kind of more than naturally lean to the left, right. If I sat like this for a long time, every day for years, my body would naturally like look towards this, right? You know, the mom that's always got the baby on the one hip over and over and over again. 1:22:14 You know, the guy that always sits on the one on the wallet on the same pocket over and over and over and over again, right? Like I would just strive for symmetry. So like, you know, if you got the one spot on the couch that you always sit in at the end of the day where you're like looking left at a 45° angle to the couch or to the TV or something like that, Mix it up and go to the other side. 1:22:32 So you're looking to the right at a 45° angle for a little bit, right? Or or if you don't do, I guess like those are some of the things to do at home, like strive for symmetry, acknowledge which you're using your body in space, go for balance, spend less time looking down at things like, and it's weird in a society like like it's weird when you say it like this is that like so much of what we do is flexion of our body. 1:22:55 And I've never in eight years of practice had anybody come into our office with an extension problem. It's always flexing issues. And my neck is too straight tech neck wise. My low back is flexed in a weird way. It's always, it's always flexing the body is what causes the problems. Because like for the neck, for example, when you're looking down at a phone or something that's flexing the neck could be like only using the bicep and ever the tricep. 1:23:17 Like if you went to the gym and only did chest and buys, like your whole body would be looking like this all the time, right? And that's how people are walking around developing that. And I bring that up in response to that question because one of the things I'll tell people to do quite literally is just like look up, like spend some time looking up at the ceiling, like do it in a slow, deliberate way. 1:23:34 Go look at the stars. They're real cool. You should go check those out, right? Like I tell people things like that because we spend so much of time doing this, especially tall folks like, you know, like if you're over 6 feet tall, like your whole life is looking down, you know what I mean? Yeah. And and like. I just encourage people like. 1:23:50 Yo, look up strive for balance. I mean, and one thing I'll say is that like folks that get regularly adjusted. I have a colleague that said this once and it really stuck with me. I think it's a beautiful like thing about chiropractic is that if your body and your brain are communicating really well, you don't have to spend as much time optimizing all the things in your daily life because your body is doing a better job of just recalibrating and adapting as you go. 1:24:15 You know what I mean? And so I think that's that's one of the things is that like, you know, the goal is with optimal function that you don't have to be trying to troubleshoot all of that stuff. Because I mean, goodness gracious, I mean, if we try to like optimize ergonomics and all the things we should be doing for our health and for our body, I mean, that's a full time job, that's 24 hours a day isn't enough, you know what I mean? 1:24:34 So, you know, that's that's to me, one of the advantages of chiropractic also is that it really takes a lot of stuff off your plate. You know, your body's doing a good job of working on its own. So, yeah, great answer. Another thing I want. To say is that I forgot. This is that do like a two-part recommendation, especially for my folks that like sit for work and whether it's at home or at the office or whatever is I always encourage people to get up and move every like 30 to 60 minutes because sitting, at least in our world we say is sitting is the new smoking. 1:25:01 And I'll tell you why in a second. But you know, something simple and I literally do this for myself is like, you know, if I'm sitting down and I'm working or doing something, I'll set a timer that's like 30-60 minutes depending on what I'm doing. And when that goes off, I just go walk and get a glass or like a drink of water. So then I'm staying hydrated. I'm moving the body. 1:25:16 I'm not sitting down so much. You know, if you're at an office job or something, go walk to the, the water cooler, go get a drink from the fountain or whatever. If you're in the middle of a meeting, just stand up and sit back down because it rewires your brain to stop slouching and stuff. Because part of the reason why sitting is the new smoking, at least in my world, is that you know, this is going to be one of those things when I say it, you're going to like, crap, why did I never think about this? 1:25:37 But like when you hop on a scale for easy numbers, we'll say 100 lbs, it's just £100. When you're standing and laying down, not in like other positions of the body, right? Your body perceives that it's £100 in those positions. If you are jumping, running, etcetera, that 100 LB person internally feels 150 lbs of action OK when you were sitting, it puts the most amount of it's all physics weight on your body where that 100 LB person is feeling 200 lbs of force. 1:26:10 And the reason for that is the curves in the body act like shock absorbers on a car, right? And when you sit, when your hip flexors fire and all the other things do its job for you to sit, your low back straightens out. And when you lose the curve in your low back, it double S the perceived weight on that area of the body. 1:26:28 And if your weight is doubled, it's going to decay faster, right? You're going to have more. And you can call it arthritis, you can call it stress on the spine, whatever your, you know, preferred vernacular is, you know, you can call it whatever you want to, but that's one of the reasons why, like, so as far as actionable thing to do at home, get up and move around. 1:26:46 Don't sit for four hours straight. You know, if you're a trucker, obviously you got to do your thing. But like, you know, it's impractical to stop every hour, depending on what your job is, right? But like, strive to move the body. If you have a career where you really are locked in for longer stretches of time, do some intentional like work on the antagonistic muscles that you're using. 1:27:08 Like an example for the the folks that sit as there's a presentation called lower cross syndrome, which is basically overactive and under active muscles based on kind of like what the average person uses their body for right now. So when you're sitting, it really constantly fires your hip flexors and it constantly fires the muscles in your low back, which is one of the wings of that lower cross. 1:27:27 The second part of the lower cross is it creates underdeveloped lower abs and glutes. So like, you know, an example of, you know, something for folks to do at home if they are listening to this and want something like actionable. It's like if you have a job where you sit like I would at least once or twice a week do even if you don't want to do like a full workout routine like I'm I'll advocate for that. 1:27:48 But if you want to do the bare minimum, I would do like some leg lifts and some air squats to activate the muscles that offset how your daily life is causing your health to be affected. The core powerhouse, yeah. You know, balance and. The same thing is true. There's an upper cross that is the the upper half of kind of how tech posture is and stuff is it creates overdeveloped stuff actually in the back of the neck. 1:28:11 Like the weird thing is like as your neck comes forward, that's actually more tension in the back of the neck and weakness in the front of the neck. So a lot of people have overactive chests because, you know, they're sitting typing like this, right? They're necks down like that. So you need to strengthen the front of your neck, strengthen the upper back muscles, open up the chest muscles and stretch the back, the back of the neck. 1:28:31 So those are like, you know, some things and we have like, you know, we'll give those to patients depending on if, when, if and when it's appropriate for the person and stuff. But, you know, those are things that like, hey, this is some, you know, you're obviously not going to change your job per SE, you know? So this is some stuff you can do at home to support it, right? 1:28:47 Great tips. Yeah. Thanks SO. Cairo for heroes. Yes, tell us a little about about that. Holy smokes. OK, so that that's. This has been like a multi year passion project of mine. So we're going to talk about health. I'm not going to talk about insurance because that's a different beast for a different day. 1:29:03 But part of what birthed Cairo for Heroes was so I guess if for the the listener, I have a nonprofit called Cairo for Heroes that I guess technically I'm the president of, but it is a nonprofit that is not a fundraiser. 1:29:19 It is a nonprofit that delivers full service chiropractic care to 1st responders and active military and their immediate families. So if you're a person, if you got, if you're in the army, your spouse and your kids can come in and receive this part of their. There's a lot of red tape and stuff on the setup where we had to like basically frame who was eligible and who wasn't kind of thing. 1:29:42 So we had to draw the line somewhere. Part of why I made those where the lines are is because we already have a great relationship with the VA. So veterans already get free chiropractic care at our office. If they come in from the VA, they pay for everything. 1:29:57 You can get free massages, you can do all of that stuff. So that's why veterans aren't part of my my nonprofit. Now. The other thing that kind of birthed it was Tricare is the insurance for active military and they don't cover any alternative medicine. 1:30:13 So to me, there's kind of an equation for that. I was like thinking, oh, which is like the amount of stress on those people's bodies relative to the amount of money they make relative to the amount or the quality of their health insurance that, that relationship didn't math to me. 1:30:32 So it always broke my heart. I'm coming, I come from a, a background that is very pro military. Lots of people served in my family. My brain injury disqualified me from a lot of that stuff. So I chose the doctor side of supporting the country and serving that way. But so I'm, I've been, oh, very passionate about those people generally. 1:30:53 And my heart really broke like year after year of having people that were in the military or in first responders that I guess couldn't make that equation math for them to take care of themselves, right? And one of the realities about being a like a doctor business owner is like, there's certain rules that I have to live by. 1:31:16 And it goes into the hats I was talking about. Like, you know, I would love to be able to like just organically give a discount to those people. But because I'm a network with Medicare, it's illegal for me to do discounts and incentives and things like that, right? That's one of the advantage, like the pro con relationship of having a chiropractic practice that might be all cash versus insurance is like, you know, it makes business sense to be like, Hey, happy birthday, here's a half price adjustment or something like that. 1:31:41 Or like, you know, hey, you sent in your spouse today's appointments on me. I appreciate you, but if I take insurance, I can't do that, right? So there was, I bring all that up real quickly and there's I could talk for a whole podcast about the the problems with insurance for sure, but definitely in our ecosystem in in North Carolina, because we have some specific challenges to us. 1:31:59 But at the end of the day, the insurance stunk and the people really needed it. And so I tried to look for a way to accomplish bringing something that was more like that was equally effective, but fit into the budget better. And this was the best way that I could figure out how to accomplish that. So what I mean by full service is that, you know, it is a nonprofit, so it is something that people can donate to. 1:32:18 You can get your tax write offs, you can do all that kind of stuff. But if and if we get donations, which is part of what my current project is right now is that I used to be on the school board. So I have some friends in Congress at the state level, not at the federal level, not that bougie. So I know, I know a couple people locally and I'm trying to get this worked into the budget because if we have funding donated to us, I said that weird. 1:32:40 If we have donations, then I can just call a recruiting office and say like, hey, I have space for 10 people, give me your most broken so I can help them rather than if we don't have funding. Everything at my office to those people just starts at half price. 1:32:56 So it is something that they still have to pay for. But the only way I can legally get the like that discount to them is by having a nonprofit for them to serve. So that's kind of like the, the two halves of the situation. My long term goal. I think it'd be awesome, obviously, to like, you know, we're working on drumming up support for like community events. 1:33:15 Like I'd love to there to be some like, you know, fundraisers where maybe we have like a pickleball tournament or we do some like things in the community. Because like I, that's one of my favorite quotes is from the guy that develops chiropractic. And it's you never know how far reaching something you say, think or do will affect the lives of millions tomorrow. 1:33:30 And like, you know, I just, I don't want where my focus is just to be trapped in the walls of my office. Like I want to impact the community. I want to work on moving outside of that. The the nonprofit double SI guess my for profit business, which is in Briar Creek over by the airport, is the geographic location for the nonprofit as well. 1:33:54 Part of what I'm working towards is, is opening up multiple locations of my clinic so that every one of those will stand up as a flag for the nonprofit as well. So, you know, because it has to be tethered to something that's part of what my organization is based on how we have it, like based on how it was had to be set up because I had to go through like AI don't know, it took like 2 years to get all dressed up. 1:34:13 So, so anyway, so that's what we do. So like, you know, every, every benefit of seeing a chiropractor adjustments, you know, massage X-rays, I mean, pick, pick whatever. I do a type of acupuncture that's that's not with needles and with electricity instead. I mean, you can get all of that through our nonprofit. 1:34:29 So I mean, it's really what my goal is and what my kind of governing philosophy was is I want to do as much as we can to improve people's ability to heal themselves without drugs and surgery. And this is just a way for me to bring it to those groups of people for cheaper and be able to help out. That's amazing and such a great 'cause. To bring to the community. 1:34:45 Is there a website for it? Yeah, so. The the website for Cairo for Heroes is just Cairo, the number 4 heroes.org, and you can go check it out. There's lots of information. If anybody's listening and wants to collaborate or knows somebody that's a connection or wants to do anything fundraising or otherwise like we are, we'd love to be able to like connect. 1:35:05 Just call our office, you know, we'd love to talk and see what we can do to help you. Perfect. Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah, it's amazing. I can't wait. Yeah, no, I. Feel like my. I'm a big like, you gotta feel it first before you experience that kind of thing. So I don't know, like I like visualizing things and kind of bring that reality forward and stuff. 100% you say? 1:35:23 You say it all the time, right? Yeah, but it's. Interesting because not many people. Think about that. So we're on the same timelines here. OK, so. You answered some of my questions there. OK. So you said that you have a self-care regimen. 1:35:38 Yes. Can you tell us about that? Yeah, so. Really detailed or high level stuff, whatever, as much as I want to. Whatever you wanna share, yeah. So. One of the things, and I'll start with a little headspace stuff, is that I kind of view myself care. 1:35:53 There's a couple of things that I do all the time and then I just leave a big space for other things. Something that I really burned myself out on a couple years ago was trying to force a lot of things into my reality and then like, you know, stresses you out 100% right? Like, oh, I need to be working out five or six days a week. 1:36:11 Otherwise, like I'm incongruent with what my philosophy is, you know what I mean? Struggle with that. And we have, you know, 3 kids and a fourth on the way and it's, you know, like, you know, that's just my stuff. And my wife's got her goals and needs her space and stuff. You know, she needs a nap. And like, I mean like she cuz all, all people, all folks with young kids, like we all need naps, you know, so you know, so. 1:36:31 I I had to take a. Big step away a couple of years ago and kind of give myself grace for like what myself care routine is. So like, could myself care routine be revved up? Absolutely. But it works for my reality right now. So what I, what I mean by that is like, I try to do something physically active every day. 1:36:50 My, my hobbies are jiu jitsu and bow hunting. So I do those two things. So I, I more or less every day I try to shoot my bow about 5 * a week at minimum. Just do a little bit, even if it's one arrow or 50 arrows. So just try to do a little bit of that as far as like, and I and I would call that physical activity. 1:37:09 OK. You know, I like running. I kind of like have a personal headspace of I want to be faster than the lifters, but stronger than the runners. And I try to like live in that bubble. So I probably average two or three. I average probably like a mile to three a day just doing a little quick run just to stretch things out. 1:37:25 It's good. I do jiu jitsu about twice a week and I do, you know, weight lifting about twice a week. So I do sign like, and I know that sounds like a lot of things, but I'm really doing like 15 to 60 minutes of physical activity kind of every day. But I, it's, it's a grab bag. I'll do an inventory of my body like I was talking about earlier and say like, you know, hey, how am I feeling today? 1:37:45 My body's probably more inclined to this activity rather than this activity or you know, like, rather than trying to like I have to go spend 90 minutes at the gym kind of thing. Like, you know, hey, maybe the kids are spicy and there's some stuff happening at home and OK, there's chaos. 1:38:00 You know what, the kiddos, it's easy for me to go stretch out an 8 to 10 minute run rather than trying to jam an entire workout in, right? So then I'm still checking the self-care box of, Hey, I did some activity. So that that's like the physical side of things as far as the, the diet, nutrition side of things that kind of throw those levers like I was talking about before about the like controlling some of what I eat based on how my stress levels are and stuff I do. 1:38:24 I'll be like my, my, I think my wife's going to listen to this. So I'm going to say this and say that I absolutely do have a sweet tooth. That's my advice. So I don't want to act. Like I'm. Perfect and just eat Immaculate all the time. But I, I try to be very intentional with what I'm eating. I use an app called Macro Factor, which has some AI, some picture stuff, But mostly I just want to look at what I'm putting in my body so that I can kind of game plan around it mostly as like bumpers on a bowling alley rather than like I have to do this. 1:38:52 So like if I'm, if it's like 3:00 or something like that and I'm feeling snacky, if I look into the app and I'm like, you know, hey, I'm maybe at, you know, I maybe need more carbs and protein than fats right now. It might shape what I go and snack on or something. So I kind of tried, I have some benchmarks that I try to hit and then I just kind of eat in that neighborhood rather trying to force something routine because again, with 3 1/2 kids on the way, like, you know, it's, it's tough to control everything and have a business and do their activities and do all the stuff. 1:39:21 So I kind of give myself some grace. I definitely practice. I mean, like I do, I mean, I have a good relationship with Jesus. I do a lot of faith, like, you know, gratitude stuff in the mornings. Some days I mean, I cycle, like I said, I'll do, I kind of quarterly do an inventory of, of me and what I need. 1:39:39 So some days I might, you know, like it might be a quarter where I'm doing more time journaling or it might be a, you know, a quarter where I'm at intentionally going out and grounding. Like I'm not going to do that in January, but I might in like April, you know? So it's like I kind of give myself space to do those things. 1:39:55 So as far as like supplement wise, I'm always doing a probiotic or a multivitamin. I'm experimenting with some other things that I'm doing to myself to see if I notice a big change. I'm a huge fan of creatine. It's really good for like brain function and stuff too. 1:40:11 It also doesn't make you like jacked. So it's great for ladies and stuff too. Carl just started taking that. It's awesome. Yeah, you're going to notice a big. Difference So I I that's kind of like myself care routine. I like reading. I like, I kind of I usually have a couple books that I'm in the middle of one that's like more productive. 1:40:29 I'm a self-proclaimed nerd. So I have like, you know, usually like a high fantasy book that I have kind of in one book or in one corner, like a health book, like we're something like practical and then something different. Like I'm reading through a guy. There's a guy named Jack Carr who's an author that writes like military thrillers and for any of the audience, I would just say it's freaking fantastic. 1:40:51 So he just released a new book last week. So I'm like actively doing that and kind of so I'm kind of balance between three books right now. That's exactly what I do. I'm funny. And I love your advice too, with just kind of giving yourself grace because that's something that I've been working on a lot in the last couple months. 1:41:08 Like I just totally resonate with everything that you're saying. Yeah, I think so. I think like our focus is definitely. Headspace stuff? Yeah. Gratitude. Little meditation? Absolutely. Right now, the grounding. Is huge for us right now I. Found huge benefits from grounding. I can actually feel the difference and actually crave it quite often now. 1:41:24 My wife has some of those sandals that have like the copper plates, me too, whatever. And that's what she jams around in me too. Yeah, so. No, we, I moved. That's, I mean, that's one of my big things is that like I have a personal philosophy that the bigger the incongruency, sorry, the bigger the contradiction, the bigger the destruction. 1:41:41 So I mean, the things that I do in my life or what I tell my patients to do, it's what I mean because it's so incongruent to like, say one thing to a patient and then do something very different for myself. Like my philosophy at the office is kind of twofold. I do for patients what I do for myself. 1:41:57 And I treat my patients the way I would want my spouse treated. Like, you know, every person that walks into our office is somebody's most important person, right? And I wanna make sure I'm honoring them in how I'm treating their loved one, right. So I mean, like, that's, that's, you know, top down. Everything I try to do is, is just espousing who I am from a place of authenticity, both in my, you know, self-care routine and, and how I take care of people. 1:42:21 And I don't know. And I'm not like worried about anxiety and lying and stuff like that. I mean, it's just, I'm just being me. And I don't know, I'm very OK with people not being on board with that because, you know, to me, and this is goes back to the doctor side of things too, is that like every person, in my opinion, needs to see a chiropractor, but I am not the chiropractor for every person. 1:42:39 And it's super important about finding the place that you resonate with and that you have peace. It's like tuning the radio. I mean, you got, if all you want to do is listen to classic rock and like Aerosmith and kiss and stuff like that. Like if you walked in and somebody like you don't want to be playing, you don't listen to Taylor Swift, then like you got to find your channel, You got to find people that are on board with that kind of thing, right? 1:42:58 100% So for me it. Has a lot to do. With like, if you want, I'm a big polarity guy with like positive and negatives and attraction and stuff. So not from a medical perspective, but from a concept perspective. So like, you know, if I want to naturally attract the people that are right for me, right? 1:43:15 I have to be OK for two, with two things, one, repelling the people that are wrong with for me, right? But two, I also have to be consistent in what I'm expressing to consistently attract the same people, right? Because like one of the things with brain space stuff is, you know, I know none of us would be able to say like, oh, like count off or like recite off the top of our head how many like white Camry's we drove by in the last week, right? 1:43:38 But if there was a man in a chicken costume throwing a sign next to a dealership or something like that, you would remember every one of those, right? It's because your brain filters out what it doesn't expect, what it expects, right? So when I meet, why I bring that up is that in my personal life, in my professional life, all of that like I am, I try to be really consistent and authentic and, and who I am, because that's the only way to like attract and keep the people that you want in your circle. 1:44:04 You know, 100% that's actually one. Of the reasons why we started this podcast too is because just like everybody including us too like it's it takes a long time to kind of shed this way of thinking but everybody cares what everybody else thinks and once you kind of stop operating like that and just be yourself and be authentic you attract people who like you for you and just everything is better. 1:44:30 Totally good thing yeah. So I love that. So where can everybody find you? Yeah. So geographically, I'm. Located near the Raleigh airport, the office is named Frederick Chiropractic, which is my last name. Online, you can find us at fredcairo.com, which is the for profit business, Cairo, the number 4, heroes.org for the nonprofit. 1:44:52 We are on social media, on Facebook, on Instagram. We're working on doing more than that. I'm an old man and I don't like social media all the way. So you're focusing on Cairo, focusing on that part. And I have a team. That's helping with the stuff that I don't want to focus on. So God bless them. And I think that's the main spot. 1:45:10 Yeah, awesome. Well, thanks so much. For being here today, it's been a treat. It's been an honor before the journey. So really enjoyed hearing what you had to say. Yeah, it's really valuable information. And I think everyone should go out and see a chiropractor. Yeah, yes. Well, and I will as an open like statement to everybody listening, like I want you to find a good chiropractor, but I want you to find the one that's right for you. 1:45:30 And if it's not me, I promise I will help you find the right person. Like if you're listening from Georgia, like it's okay to call or e-mail my office. I would love to be able to like look nearby and say like, hey, this is the person that I would go see kind of thing. Like I'm a part of a, a network of chiropractors that just, I mean, it's based off of the technique that I do and stuff. 1:45:48 So you know, I have personal conviction in it because it's what I do. But you know, I'd, I'd happily be able to like look into that database and say like, Hey, this is the closest person call their office. They might have somebody closer or something like I'm happy to connect and do what I can. So if anybody needs anything, please reach out. That's awesome. 1:46:04 Awesome. All right. Well, today let's do peace, love and crack Chiro. Yeah, peace, love and Chiro. All right, let's all say it at the same time, because that's cute. Ready 123 Peace, love and Chiro. Thanks so much for listening if you'd like to follow. 1:46:20 Along with us, you can find us on Instagram at Crunchypod and at Unapologetically Crunchy. We have the same handles on Tiktok too. And check out our websites at crunchypod.com and unapologeticallycrunchy.com. 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Growing up, Dr Taylor Frederick always felt a calling toward healthcare. But, it wasn’t until after a traumatic brain injury in college that chiropractic truly found him. Following a serious concussion, Dr. Taylor struggled with speech and memory issues. After going to many doctors and getting no answers, he visited a chiropractor for the first time, he began to notice remarkable improvements and within six weeks, his memory and speech started to improve. That experience inspired him to change his career path and dedicate his life to chiropractic care.
Today, Dr. Taylor Frederick leads Frederick Chiropractic, a practice in Raleigh, NC, focused on uncovering and addressing the root causes of symptoms, helping the body heal from the inside out. Every patient receives a personalized care plan designed to help them reach their unique health goals.
Dr Frederick founded Chiro 4 Heroes, a nonprofit providing chiropractic care to veterans and first responders at discounted rates.
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